A few days ago, I decided to re-watch a few Marvel movies as background noise while I wrote. That day, I got through Spider-Man Homecoming, both Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and Infinity War. By the time I was done for the day, I was a solid way through Thor Ragnarok, so I decided to pay that one attention before bed.
Boy was that a mistake.
Don’t misunderstand: I like this movie. It’s easily the best Thor movie (although that’s not a high bar to pass), and it finally made Thor a character that I give a shit about. It has some solid visuals, fun action, and good exchanges between the characters. Though I found all the attempts at comedy pretty unfunny, with the only exception being the Stan Lee cameo.
Which is really depressing now that he’s gone.
But this isn’t a review. This post is all about one particular scene. One little Easter Egg that, for reasons I can’t understand, drove me to insanity.
About halfway through the movie, Hella (or whoever the villain was, I didn’t give a shit about her) breaks into Odin’s vault in order to resurrect her zombie army and giant wolf pet. While in here, she runs into a replica of the Infinity Gauntlet, yells “FAKE!!” and knocks it over before moving on.
This shouldn’t drive me as fucking nuts as it does.
No matter which way you slice it, this little moment doesn’t make any sense. The Gauntlet shouldn’t be there, Hella shouldn’t know about it, Odin shouldn’t have it, and it shouldn’t even exist.
Let’s discuss why, shall we? Cause that sounds like fun.
Let’s start with why it shouldn’t be there. The first appearance of the true Infinity Gauntlet is in the post credits scene of Age of Ultron, in which Thanos equips the glove and declares that he’ll do it himself. So we know that the Gauntlet has existed for at least two years.
Hella, on the other hand, has been sealed away for 1500 years. We know this because Thor tells Rocket in Infinity War that he’s fifteen hundred years old, and he didn’t even know Hella existed because Odin sealed her away before he was born. This means that Hella couldn’t possibly know what the Gauntlet is, or the fact that the one in the vault is a fake.
Now, before you say it, no. Thanos is not older than Hella. We know this for a few reasons. One, if we assume that Thanos ages like humans do, we can assume he’s roughly sixty years old (here’s my source on that, if you want to learn more about it). Two, he only recently forced the dwarves to forge the Gauntlet. We can assume that the task took many years, and at no point is Asgard made aware of their plight. The only reason they aren’t made aware about it in the two years after Thanos gets it in Age of Ultron is because all of them except for one has been slaughtered once it was done.
And three: Thor has never heard of Thanos. If Thanos were as old or older than Hella and he’d been doing what he’d been doing for all that time, Thor would know about him. Remember: Thor has a strong knowledge on the universe around him. He’s been to many different planets, including Xandar and Knowhere. He’s been around the block. If Thanos has been slaughtering planets (half of them, at least) for over 1500 years, Thor would know who he was. Hell, he’d probably have faced him before now.
We can also deduce that Thanos’ Infinity Gauntlet is the only one to ever exist. See, the wizard bad-guy from Infinity War (the one who talked a lot and treated Thanos like a god) mentions that Thanos is the only one in the history of the universe to wield more than one Infinity Stone. If he’s correct, which it’s safe to assume he is, than it’s safe to say that no one would have a prototype Infinity Gauntlet for Thanos to base his off of.
So that’s why the Gauntlet can’t be there, and why Hella couldn’t possibly know about it. But how the hell does Odin have the replica? Well, a pretty solid theory is that Mr. Future Sight from Asgard could see it in a vision, and he told Odin about the oncoming doom of the Gauntlet. Odin, in an attempt to make the Asgaurdians feel safe, made the replica and pretended to have slain Thanos.
Here’s why that doesn’t work. See, Future-Sight-Guy has proven to have some incredibly specific visions. For example, he knew that Loki would come to Asgard’s rescue on the bridge at the end of Ragnarok, or so he claims. If he had seen Thanos, then he’d know just how serious the threat was. And if Odin faked killing Thanos, wouldn’t he see another vision telling him that Odin’s lying and Thanos is still a very real threat?
Plus… I’m pretty sure he’s not nearly that old. Though I could be wrong about that.
Now, I know what you’re thinking. “Jonah, it’s just an Easter Egg! It doesn’t matter! Calm down!” And you’re right. It’s just a goof. But here’s the thing.
That goof opens up some big plot holes when it’s all about an item that would be crucial to an upcoming film. I mean, for god’s sake, we got Infinity War less than a year after Ragnarok!
Also, I’m perfectly calm. I’m not writing this post because I’m genuinely upset about it. I wrote it more as an exercise in thinking than a genuine critique. I ultimately realize that it doesn’t matter. It’s just a fun thing to think about.
Even if it did give me an actual headache to think about yesterday. But that’s my fault.
If you’ve got any thoughts on this, I encourage you to add to the conversation. I’m sure there are some more holes that I’m missing, or maybe there’s an explanation that I’ve missed. Though I highly doubt that. But if there is, feel free to tell me in the comments below.
Or don’t. You do you, man. Don’t let me tell you what to do.